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terrapinken
June 14th, 2007, 11:48 AM
Mr. Skull posted - " Yes, your post is a pretty good example of what we dislike about "shop politics". Care about divers? Then let us know what you are offering to divers rather than take shots at your competition."

Very valid comment. Thank you. I do appreciate your comments and opinion. I accept your challenge.

My question to Midwest Dive members is this - Are you interested in an open forum where I will answer any question and address any criticism? There are no sacred cows. Everything will be answered and I will challenge everyone to keep me honest.

By the way - I am reluctant to start posting "what I have to offer". This will probally lead to more contempt for me and LDS's. I could post until the cows come home, but really most of the members here know what LDS (or internet site) they are going to support or not support. I will proceed slowly and see if I can handle it. Ken
juls64
June 14th, 2007, 10:25 PM
I think shop politics have no place here. I also don't like when some members offer (sell) classes on this forum. I worked for a shop here in the Chicago area and still instruct there and some of these people are competitors. As businesses, they need to get their own websites and sell from there. I have left "selling my store" at the door. I think the same should apply to all, but since I am in the minority on that, then I just get over it.

I think this board should be to discuss diving and promote it, but not to "sell" in such that the board is used to put money in our own pockets. That is what websites are for. Put a link to your website in your signature line if you wish and certainly share your expertise per your level of training.

Offering charters to get people diving is one thing, but if charters are your business, then use your own website. Same for instruction. Share your experience to help others, and feel free to respond if someone requests your services privately. But the blatant selling isn't really in the scope of what this board is about. Negativity to detract from someone's business, isn't either.

Can't we all just play nice???

Just my own opinion.

Julie
MgicTwnger
June 15th, 2007, 06:24 AM
Yeah, what Julie said.
DeepDiverBob
June 15th, 2007, 07:17 AM
Yeah, what Julie said.

How can you argue with a bold statement like THAT?
reefraff
June 15th, 2007, 07:17 AM
My question to Midwest Dive members is this - Are you interested in an open forum where I will answer any question and address any criticism?

No.
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MgicTwnger
June 15th, 2007, 09:14 AM
No.
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Could you be a little more concise?
terrapinken
June 15th, 2007, 09:30 AM
Well - Between Julie and Steve, I guess that covers it. I will try and not let my LDSness shine through as I am sure you will keep me in check. Thanks, Ken
do it easy
June 15th, 2007, 01:12 PM
Regarding the politics and the selling of classes and trips- I think it has the opposite effect- limiting or restricting classes/charter threads only acknowledges that the politics are here.

As a diver, I would want to know about trips and classes and any other offerings that divers would be interested in.

I can understand as a dive pro, there is a certain amount of competition between shops, instructors, and charters, but to limit "advertising" would be a disservice to divers.

Of course, it helps that all the "advertising" that I have seen here has been tasteful. I think that speaks well of our professional members and I hope it continues that way.
DeepDiverBob
July 24th, 2007, 10:35 AM
Regarding the politics and the selling of classes and trips- I think it has the opposite effect- limiting or restricting classes/charter threads only acknowledges that the politics are here.

As a diver, I would want to know about trips and classes and any other offerings that divers would be interested in.

I can understand as a dive pro, there is a certain amount of competition between shops, instructors, and charters, but to limit "advertising" would be a disservice to divers.

Of course, it helps that all the "advertising" that I have seen here has been tasteful. I think that speaks well of our professional members and I hope it continues that way.

I agree. (keeping in theme with the short answers of this thread)
MgicTwnger
July 24th, 2007, 10:41 AM
I agree. (keeping in theme with the short answers of this thread)
Yeah............
Captain Caveman
July 24th, 2007, 06:58 PM
The only thing I like is when instructors have classes coming up and they have openings ( tech classes DIR and TDI for exe). non of them have the $$ listed so you have to call. No different that a pamphlet you get at the LDS. same thing with dive charters.

but thats my opinion. but who cares what I say.
juls64
July 24th, 2007, 08:36 PM
but who care what I say.

I Care! :)
Captain Caveman
July 24th, 2007, 09:50 PM
Thank you Juls. I know is aganst what you say, but thanks
juls64
July 25th, 2007, 06:35 AM
Thank you Juls. I know is aganst what you say, but thanks

Yes, but listening to differing opinions, and trying to be open to them, is what helps us grow as people.
DeepDiverBob
August 3rd, 2007, 09:58 AM
Yes, but listening to differing opinions, and trying to be open to them, is what helps us grow as people.

not to mention free pizza
MgicTwnger
August 3rd, 2007, 10:31 AM
not to mention free pizza
You offering to buy? You are truly a prince among men!
DeepDiverBob
August 3rd, 2007, 10:36 AM
You offering to buy? You are truly a prince among men!
nope, Bills turn, remember?
MgicTwnger
August 3rd, 2007, 10:58 AM
nope, Bills turn, remember?

In that case, you are a serf among pesants.
BottomDweller
November 1st, 2007, 08:18 PM
Did somebody mention free pizza??
MgicTwnger
November 1st, 2007, 08:45 PM
Did somebody mention free pizza??
Yeah, months ago.
do it easy
November 1st, 2007, 09:25 PM
Actually, I think it's Ken's turn now- since Bill put the pizza on the table at the get together at Mermet this year. Thanks Bill!! You're a prince among the peasants!
MgicTwnger
November 2nd, 2007, 06:08 AM
Actually, I think it's Ken's turn now- since Bill put the pizza on the table at the get together at Mermet this year. Thanks Bill!! You're a prince among the peasants!
OK, I'll buy the pizza, we just need to plan another get-togeather.:D
DeepDiverBob
November 2nd, 2007, 07:20 AM
Yeah, months ago.

years for some. Glad you brought it up again though. That means your buying. :D
MgicTwnger
November 2nd, 2007, 08:29 AM
years for some. Glad you brought it up again though. That means your buying. :D

No problem, it's my turn. Bill did it with such class that he's a hard act to follow. I promise not to piss, moan, or procrastinate, like someone I could mention.:p

BTW..I wasn't the one who resurrected this thread. I had to go back to the beginning to figure out what it was originally about. It may set a new record for going off-topic.
terrapinken
November 2nd, 2007, 08:41 AM
So what I gather is as a LDS owner/operator - You guys want me to buy the pizza. I am going to need help in organizing the 1st annual Y-kiki Divers "Dive for Pie" fund raiser event. Any ideas or suggestions??? This should get interesting
juls64
November 2nd, 2007, 08:44 AM
BTW..I wasn't the one who resurrected this thread. I had to go back to the beginning to figure out what it was originally about. It may set a new record for going off-topic.

Yeah, I thought we were raising the dead in honor of Halloween
MgicTwnger
November 2nd, 2007, 09:06 AM
So what I gather is as a LDS owner/operator - You guys want me to buy the pizza. I am going to need help in organizing the 1st annual Y-kiki Divers "Dive for Pie" fund raiser event. Any ideas or suggestions??? This should get interesting

No, Ken, this is something that has been going on among a few of us for some time, before you came along.
But if you want to buy us all pizza, be my guest.

And before Bob starts in on me, I still intend to buy pizza!