Pee Valve Q. Guys only

[Captain Caveman]

Im getting my Clx450 soon and I am having trouble find what size condom catheter to get. The come in all sizes and I dont want to buy a box of 100 for 150$ and find out there to small or to large. Anyone find a site with a size chart?:D

[do it easy]

You could call and ask for an assortment- they'll send you some different sizes so that you could see what size fits.

Here's a sizing guide- http://www.urology.coloplast.com/pdf/dm_male_measurement_guide.pdf

It's from this site http://www.urology.coloplast.com/bladder-control/incontinence-male/male-external-catheters.htm

[DeepDiverBob]

There is a medical supply place here in St.Louis that I have been going to. They go have a size chart for you to use. You can also but some individually to try out as well. Most guys need to swallow their pride and get a medium,(from what I was told when I was getting into the pee valve thing) which I believe are 28mm. Once you find the size you want, then you can get the box full of them. And aldo, dont think for one second they are like puting on a sex condom. These are a little more tricky. Hope this helps.

[Mike M]

Captain caveman,

When I got my DUI dry suit it came with one medium ( 28mm ) catheter which I guess is the average size for most men ( unfortunately it fit & I had to quit bragging ), try it & go from there.
The individual packages have breathe holes in them so, I have wondered about the shelf life (dry out & fall apart )
I have a medical store not two miles from my house which will sell to me for $1.50 ea. anyway so, I've never bought that many to find out.
They have a good looking girl that works in there so I buy six large & six mediums & tell her the small are for my buddy.http://www.midwestdive.com/forums/images/icons/icon10.gif

Mike M

[reefraff]

Since you didn't ask in a PM, I'll give you the answer in pubic...I mean public...

Catheters are available at most medical supply stores, though some will want you to buy them by the box, not the piece. The supply stores have a chart you can use to roughly guess size but there is nothing like a little real-world experience. Sizing is determined when Mr. Happy is in bashful turtle mode. Think shrink and swallow your pride, if not your joy. Best bet is to buy a range of sizes by the piece and go diving with them - it won't take long to figure out what you need. Most guys take a medium - about 29mm.

Rochester Medical makes an external male catheter called the Wide Band. All the others are prone to falling off, Wide Bands don't and that's a good thing. On the other hand, removing the Wide Bands can be a sadistic exercise in self-abuse, which is a bad thing. You'll want to mow the lawn closely and take a long warm shower with a bottle of adhesive remover when it's time to remove the thing. Be careful heading about heading to the shower with a bottle of hand lotion - you really don't want your wife volunteering to help unwrap that rascal lest the bashful turtle tries to become a spitting cobra and strangles himself in the constriction. All the troubles aside, get the Wide Bands - they rule.

Once you know what size you need, you can buy them in bulk. Don't swagger too much, remember that the person selling you the thing is going to believe you have a defective unit and that makes size a lot less impressive. If you pop something up on TDL, you can usually get someone to split a box but then everyone is going to know your business - literally.

http://www.medshipdirect.com/preview.asp?ItemID=715

[crpntr133]

Now I don't know if I want a pee valve or not. Still not sure about the wide bands. All in all this thread was good for a laugh or two.

[Mike M]

Never heard of wide bands ( insert your own joke ).
I do recommend the freedom brand & I have had a buddy(who will remain nameless) that was given a box full of catheters ( don't know what brand)that had so much glue on them, he had to sit in the hot tub for quite a long time to get it off.
Be careful what you you buy & be prepared to say OH SHIT! when you pull it off.

Mike M

P.S. the girl does know I'm a diver, just doesn't know I'm lying to to her about other things.

[scububa]

I went to http://www.rocm.com/06x00f.html and filled out the form for 3 sizes. Within 3 days, I had a box with 3 of each size (and instructions on how to get the VA to help me :-) ALso, had a cardboard sizing guide.

DUI drysuit - $2500
Pee valve - $ 85
Being a Large catheter - Pricele$$

Just a question in the back of my mind - can DIR divers only dive with same size members (pun intended)? Glad there is not a P-drill.

[theskull]

Also buy several XLarge models. That way when a buddy runs out and asks to borrow one, you can say, "Here, this is what I use, will it work for ya?"

LOL

theskull

[DeepDiverBob]

Also buy several XLarge models. That way when a buddy runs out and asks to borrow one, you can say, "Here, this is what I use, will it work for ya?"

LOL

theskull

So THATS why scuba sally always wants to dive with you...

[Mike M]

who's Scuba Sally?
I've got a dive bag full of large catheters I could impress her with.

After that I'm screwed ( so to speak ).

Mike M

[Captain Caveman]

Thanks guys, i thought this would be a important topic and a good humorius one too.

[MgicTwnger]

Yeah, who IS scuba Sally? Inquiring minds want to know.

[do it easy]

Ken, you're Scuba Sally- see you at Mermet and don't forget to wear that dress I gave you. :D

[skip]

I prefer the freedom latex (not the silicone, which is clear). I tried others, like the wide-band, and another that boasts it stays in place no matter what (it did too!). The wide-band adds a stiff piece (no pun intended) of foamy type adhesive band, a second part (again no pun intended) to wrap around and help hold it on. Not necessary, and it chaffs something awful with a frog kick! The one that boasts it won't come off, is right. I'm the guy Mike mentioned that had to sit in the hot tub for an hour and even then it was the second or third day of that thing hanging on. When I did manage to get it off, half the adhesive stayed on and my poor member kept sticking to my leg for another two days!

A buddy used those stay-ons because he kept blowing them off (no pun intended) and wanted something that would stay on no matter what. He claimed he had a lot of force in his bladder, too much to get through the little rubber tube, but I think he thought he was bigger than he was and couldn't bring himself to wear a mere medium!

By the way, he eventually switched to Depends!

-skip

[do it easy]

I've almost had a blow off underwater- I could feel the pressure building, I quickly adjusted and things were well again. After the dive, I realized that I had the hose and the cath routed at 90* angles to each other.

I use either the FreedomCath by Mentor or the UltraFlex by Rochester Medical. The FreedomCath is latex and the glue is reasonable. The UltraFlex is silicone and the glue can be nasty and painful- I could probably leave it on for 2 days easily. I usually use the FreedomCath's, but I might use the UltraFlex's in the middle of winter or the summer, since the glue is stronger. I've only had one blow off ever underwater.

I think the silicone ones are marginally cheaper and better for people who are worried about latex allergies.

Skip, I think there are several brand names called wide band- the ones that I have don't have the sticky foam to wrap around.

An interesting thing that I learned is that if it burns when you pee, it might be the cath sweeling like a balloon and pulling the glue off of you- blow off is imminent! I used to keep the plug on my p-valve and forgot to open it once while diving. I quickly reached down and gave it a few turns and everything was right in the world again. Now, I keep the plug in my pocket, in case the check valve fails, but otherwise, I think I can get more flow without it in.

Lastly (for now)- don't forget about p-valve maintenance. I use a squirt bottle to flush water through mine after every dive day. I've heard of some people using vinegar or bleach to kill any nasties. Vinegar will also have the advantage of dissolving any scale or deposits that might have built up. Before I rinsed my p-valve religiously, it did develop a leak, so I flushed it thouroughly with vinegar and the leak disappeared!

[Captain Caveman]

Thanks guys. I started this topic because there's none out there. I think im going to look around for a store that sells them and try them out for size can comfort when the suit comes in. ( A steve any word yet on the delivery date yet)? But it does not sound like a fun time getting them off.

[MgicTwnger]

Ken, you're Scuba Sally- see you at Mermet and don't forget to wear that dress I gave you. :D

Would you prefer that under or over the drysuit? Bob wears his under, but I find that a bit tacky. How do you wear yours?

[do it easy]

Inside keeps me warmer :D

OK, so how about those p-vavles? I usually buy a big box eash season and it takes me about a year to go through them. It's getting time to order another batch.

[nauifins73]

I used to think a pee valve was discrimination - I have changed my mind.

[Dean810]

You know, I think I will wait awhile before getting one of those P-valve things! Life is too complicated already.

[do it easy]

Nah, regardless of all the crying and whining, it is so worth it! I would say that it is the single best piece of equipment that I have ever bought. It also increases safety since I can hydrate with reckless abandon and not worry about how long the dive is. P-valves let you experience the true rapture of the deep. :D

[crpntr133]

Good thing I wasn't drinking when I started reading this thread. LOVE!!! the DIR joke, gotta remember that one. I think I can answer the question though, yes. All the DIR guys that I have ever met have big ( oh Lord here we go) heads, I think it is part of the training.

Seen were some are talking about blow off (of the cath). Try releasing your bladder a bit and then stop the flow, release, stop until your empty. I have heard some men can do this and others can't, I haven't asked.

[ppo2_diver]

All the DIR guys that I have ever met have big ( oh Lord here we go) heads, I think it is part of the training.


Then you've met the wrong people who aren't really DIR. DIR is about continual improvement, among other things. Knowing what your flaws are and fixing them is part of the training. Not acting like a jackass. The people with the big heads probably didn't take any GUE classes and read crap on the internet, then think they are DIR. I know my flaws and strive to get better every time I'm in the water.

[do it easy]

The stop-go-stop-go technique might work for some, but it takes the fun out of it for me. I have no problem with the stop-go part of it, but I have trouble "shooting on the run." I generally have to be still to use the p-valve, so I would rather go all at once. I usually wait until my buddy stops to clear his mask or purge his reg. :D Really, just kidding. I remind my buddies about this when I want them to lead. ;)

I was tooling around Gilboa on New Years day and I had my O2 bottle on a leash off my left d-ring, so that the leash wrapped around the back of my leg and the valve and reg sat NEAR my crotch. If you can picture that, I was swimming around and using the p-valve and I had to make a mental note to rinse out the O2 reg before I made the gas switch. :D

[crpntr133]

Then you've met the wrong people who aren't really DIR. DIR is about continual improvement, among other things. Knowing what your flaws are and fixing them is part of the training. Not acting like a jackass. The people with the big heads probably didn't take any GUE classes and read crap on the internet, then think they are DIR. I know my flaws and strive to get better every time I'm in the water.
I know 8 that do have the card as DIR and they are GODS. Lord forbid that they dive in the same waters as someone that isn't DIR. I like the philosophy but I couldn't go there so I won't be DIR.

At any rate...to pee or not to pee, THAT is the question.

[Captain Caveman]

To pee that is the answer

[skip]

DIR gets and gives a lot of bashing, but the basic concepts of improvement, practicing of fundamentals, knowing your buddies gear as well as your own, team diving, and such have made a large and positive impact on recreational and technical diving.

Not all dives or all divers should necessarily have the exact same gear and configuration for most of the dives being done. But if you plan to go Global, go Underwater, and go Explore, in a style that takes you on National Geographic Episodes, then it might be a good idea to keep the simple things as common as a denominator as possible. you got bigger fish to fry than worrying about rebuild kits for 20 different regs, or if Joel and Kathy know that Mark has an atomic, while they dive posiedons, and he keeps it on a left d-ring bungee, while theirs are on a necklace. And by the way does Scuba Sally have a big enough wing for the six stages we want her to place?

I'm not DIR. But jeesh, at some point the expedition gets big. And if your eye is on the big stuff, then DIR and GUE is the place to go. Train everyone the same, and you get a big bonus in expedition planning. And it does make everyone safer. Personally I think that the trickle down from DIR has improved sport diving - globally!

Big Heads? Well, it's like the Rangers or Special Forces of diving. A big head just comes with the territory. For some it may or may not be deserved, or earned, but then that's true for everything. I've seen the heads of open water divers get 3 inches bigger when they take the c-card from my hand....
and when I became a full cave diver, not only did my head get three sizes bigger, so did my ..... well, let's just say I have a box of catheters for sale cheap!

-skip



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[crpntr133]

To pee that is the answer

But how to pee is the question?? :D

[skip]

down a tube, through a valve, out a hole, into the wild blue yonder, with comfort, abandon, and a sheepish grin!

-skip

[Captain Caveman]

down a tube, through a valve, out a hole, into the wild blue yonder, with comfort, abandon, and a sheepish grin!

-skip

And hopefully not down your leg ;) .
-DIR-
I know that MOST divers are egotistical. I agree that when you do somthing cool or diffrent than the norm. We all get bigger ego but when you start bashing other because you did somthing they havent or diffrent than you does not give the right to bash them. I do like the rules (some) of DIR but some are dumb. On Subaboard Ive been ban/threatend if I post something about DIR again. All I posted was a artical about bungied wings are non life threating. I will dive with anyone that wants to dive as long as there certified. I just want to have fun and learn new things.

[MgicTwnger]

Allright, enough already about Dir, peeing, etc. I googled up a pic of Scuba Sally. Not what I expected:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2274631540080218534zQrvfh


It is definately NOT ME!!!!!

[scububa]

And hopefully not down your leg ;) .
-DIR-
I know that MOST divers are egotistical. I agree that when you do somthing cool or diffrent than the norm. We all get bigger ego but when you start bashing other because you did somthing they havent or diffrent than you does not give the right to bash them. I do like the rules (some) of DIR but some are dumb. On Subaboard Ive been ban/threatend if I post something about DIR again. All I posted was a artical about bungied wings are non life threating. I will dive with anyone that wants to dive as long as there certified. I just want to have fun and learn new things.

YEEEE...ikes, I feel somewhat responsible. I quess it was my little crack that started all this DIR stuff. I REALLY meant it 'tongue in cheek' a little good nature poke. Guess the DIR monster didn't like being poked. I certainly am not DIR and don't apoligize for it. I don't hold anything against them, either. I agree that concepts have trickled around, both from and to DIR. To the credit of advanced divers (DIR or not) they are helping up not "learn new things" the hard way.

I promise not to joke about DIR anymore.
I promise not to joke about DIR anymore.
I promise not to joke about DIR anymore.
I promise not to joke about DIR anymore.
I promise not to joke about DIR anymore.

doesn't have the same effect when you can cut and paste, eh? :rolleyes:

Sorry,
Jim

[Dean810]

I'm a long way from DIR, and will probably never go there, but I know the rap they have been given. My own personal experience is that I have not ran into any of the bad attitude I have heard about DIR. It might be out there, but I have not ran into it yet. All the DIR folks I have dove with have been a joy. I have learned from them, and not felt belittled in any way. The biggest attitude I have found have been from people I think have not really been trained DIR.

[ppo2_diver]

All the DIR folks I have dove with have been a joy.

You sure about that Dean? Even the times I put my used caths in your cooler and on your car? :D

See what happens when we like diving with you? :)

[Mike M]

( "I googled up a pick of Scuba Sally ")

Looks Like Scuba Steve had a sex change!

Mike M

[Captain Caveman]

Scubaba,
I have been shown the DIR bad attitude on Scubaboard in topics about OMS's bungied wing. I never said anything bad about dir but showed proof that DIR is not right in one part of the rule about bungied wings and I was getting bashed and talked down too. They deleted my posts and sent me nasty pm's. I wont post names or ever say them but the same thing happend to a freind of mine by the name of Tamas. I have no problem diving with a DIR diver like I said ( I hope to some time) and picking up on some of the ideas they have but I will never be DIR.



Now back to catheters-

Even bikers can get into peeing on the run
http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i14.ebayimg.com/03/i/07/69/f8/ef_1_b.JPG&imgrefurl=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Male-Condom-Catheter-Kit-Motorcycle-Accessory_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6755QQihZ002Q QitemZ4651247077QQrdZ1&h=179&w=288&sz=17&hl=en&start=13&tbnid=NePLJWXfWqfCvM:&tbnh=71&tbnw=115&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dcondom%2Bcatheters%26svnum%3D10%26hl% 3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DG

[scububa]

Yeah, Chris, I know what you mean about the other board. I didn't mean to sound like I was getting on your case. I was mainly meaning "sorry I might have stirred up the whole nest". I don't think I wiould be motivated to go to DIR. I guess I think I am trying to be a HOG.

Jim 'trying to keep tongue out of cheek'

[divbum]

Allright, enough already about Dir, peeing, etc. I googled up a pic of Scuba Sally. Not what I expected:

http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2274631540080218534zQrvfh


It is definately NOT ME!!!!!

Are you sure, the resemblance is striking :nanerscar

[MgicTwnger]

Are you sure, the resemblance is striking :nanerscar

I get no respect.

[DeepDiverBob]

( "I googled up a pick of Scuba Sally ")

Looks Like Scuba Steve had a sex change!

Mike M

Keep it nice with Scuba Sally. Shes a great person.

[crpntr133]

I get no respect.
Do you deserve it??

Seeing the biker thing reminds me of a buddy of mine that drives a concrete truck. Sometimes they just don't have the time to stop for a pee or if stopped can't get out of the truck.
They have a hatch in the bottom of the cab that is used for cleaning out the dirt in the cab. Weelllll, he told me that he has used a bottle while driving down the road and then (insert whistling bomb sound) he drops it out the hatch.

[DeepDiverBob]

I have thought about connecting mine when I do my road trips to Florida.

[MgicTwnger]

I have thought about connecting mine when I do my road trips to Florida.
Please don't.

If you do, be sure to post photos.

[DeepDiverBob]

Please don't.

If you do, be sure to post photos.

Youre sick...and then you wonder why you dont get any respect...

[Dean810]

You sure about that Dean? Even the times I put my used caths in your cooler and on your car? :D

See what happens when we like diving with you? :)

Oh Yeah! There is that! Also your P-valve tricks that I won't go into here!

[jjwdiver]

Rochester medical Wide band - they go on easy but you better keep the stray hairs away. Think of it this way, if you have ever plucked out a hair from inside your nose...this thing will hurt much worse if it cathces stray hairs in the nether region!

[CBKinger]

OK, just been reading a few of these posts. Please explain this equipment. I have honestly never heard of a catheter that is used whiole diving.

[CBKinger]

I guess it is called a P-valve

[theskull]

OK, just been reading a few of these posts. Please explain this equipment. I have honestly never heard of a catheter that is used whiole diving.

Simple. When diving in a dry suit you can't simply "become one with nature" when it's time to urinate, as you can in a wetsuit.

A p-valve is a small hole in the drysuit, attached to a short rubber hose, which can be attached via an external condom catheter to your member, so that you may pee all you want without (hopefully) soiling your undergarments.

Most are a little more sophisticated than the above description, including one-way valve and pressure equalizer for additional comfort.

Alternative is to wear adult diapers or just hold it.

theskull

[Captain Caveman]

Well the suit should be in this week some time. I can wait, Im tring ot find a health store that carrys catheters in the new lenox area.

[DeepDiverBob]

Simple. When diving in a dry suit you can't simply "become one with nature" when it's time to urinate, as you can in a wetsuit.


theskull

well, you can, but there is no place for it to go, and you will be really cold in about 2-3 minutes after whizzing in a dry suit.

So I'm told.:o

I'm glad this thread came to life again. reminds me I need to get by the medical supply store and pick up some more for this weekend. I plan on adding some moisture to Table Rock.

[ppo2_diver]

Well the suit should be in this week some time. I can wait, Im tring ot find a health store that carrys catheters in the new lenox area.

This is the place I get mine from. Cheapest around from what I have seen.

http://www.lhbindustries.com/LHBstore.htm

Click on Medical products, down at the bottome of the medical producst page are the caths.

[SLIM]

NOOOO we don't need anymore mouister in TBL. The lake is high enough, and we need to get it down some for the spring time rains. I have spent to much time moving the docks the last several weeks and there is no need to rais the lake.

There are many differnat brands out there, some are softer and some have more glue on them. Get with your local phamacy and get amny of diferant style or brands and try them for what YOU like best. I have had to loan some out and lets say that the diver that borowed one found that the glue is stickyer and covers more of the shealth. He had to tell mehis experiace about when he removed it, LOL.

A P-Valve has several great advantages. It allows one to keep hydrated before and through out the dive. Not just being dehydrated but also the use of muscles to keep from urinating can greatly increase the risk of DCS. They are a usfull tool during long dives in cold or warm water deep or shallow. There are many things that mustbe kept in consideration, like keeping the system clean as one can get a UTI if not cared for.

Just a few more thoughts to ponder.

SLIM

[Captain Caveman]

I filled out the Rochester form so I should get them in a couple of days. I hope. If so than I can test them out in Scuba Emporiums POOL. ( I wonder if its going to turn yellow:901: .)

[MgicTwnger]

I filled out the Rochester form so I should get them in a couple of days. I hope. If so than I can test them out in Scuba Emporiums POOL. ( I wonder if its going to turn yellow:901: .)

They should love that idea.:p

[Captain Caveman]

They should love that idea.:p


I wont tell if you wont :D

[MgicTwnger]

I wont tell if you wont :D

If the valve works I won't have to.

[Captain Caveman]

I sure hope it works. if not Im going to have to clean out my undies really well

[do it easy]

If you are really paranoid and want to test it out, you could probably test it in the shower, hooked up to the plumbing, and not actually in your suit. (that would be a freakish YouTube video!) The undies are easy enough to clean, the drysuit is a bit harder. Hopefully, your p-valve isn't made by the same company that made Ken's BC. :D

[MgicTwnger]

Hopefully, your p-valve isn't made by the same company that made Ken's BC. :D

I'd like to see the Russian navy help him with that problem.:p

[DeepDiverBob]

Hopefully, your p-valve isn't made by the same company that made Ken's BC. :D

Good one...why didnt I think of that???

[MgicTwnger]

Good one...why didnt I think of that???
You're slipping.

[Captain Caveman]

Well today ive been trying out catheters. The only ones I can find is Freedom latex. not bad to install but stong glue. After getting 1 28mm 3 31mm and 3 35mm all i have to say is im a very happy man :p . I tryed using it and found that a blocked Catheter hurts. Is that normal?

[do it easy]

Hey Chris, if it burns when you pee, that is not normal and you should go see the doctor. :)

The Freedom ones are the least sticky and easiest to remove. If you think that glue is strong, DO NOT try the wide bands or the silicone ones. This is your preemptive "I told you so!"

If you pee and the cath is blocked, it might get a bit uncomfortable as the cath swells like a balloon and pulls the glue off. Release the pressure soon or else you'll have a messy blow off. Don't ask me how I know that. Again, another preemptive "I told you so!"

My pee valve is the bolt with the hole in it kind. The bolt is simply a backup in case the one way valve fails, so I just leave it tied to my pocket. I think it restrict the flow a little. Some guys put it in their wetnotes.

[Captain Caveman]

It does not hurt when I pee its the glue pulling off from it swelling. after a hour of leaving it on to see if it comes off/irritates me. well it came off essayer than I thought. so that glue is not as good as it is when you first apply it. Im still going with Wideband from Rochester.

[MgicTwnger]

I'm going with astronaut diapers.

[do it easy]

It does not hurt when I pee its the glue pulling off from it swelling. after a hour of leaving it on to see if it comes off/irritates me. well it came off essayer than I thought. so that glue is not as good as it is when you first apply it. Im still going with Wideband from Rochester.

If you have swelling, you should see a doctor too, or quit surfing the internet. :D

Some people take it off during a hot shower since the glue softens up a bit. The other advantage of waiting is that you might get to experience something that I call "peeing from the firehose."

Be sure to remove all the glue, especially if you are diving over several days. Otherwise, you'll end up with this build up of glue that looks like a disease and offers an even stronger hold for any subsequent glue (read- more pain).

[Captain Caveman]

Man this is too funny

[ppo2_diver]

Swelling, rash, burning, irritation... If you're a married guy, you don't use it much anyway. So it doesn't matter. :D

[nauifins73]

When I 1st heard of a pee valve I thought - Man that isn't fair!!. I have completely changed my mind.

[reefraff]

It's better if you go solo when you're trying to yank one of those things off. :o A little Detachol (http://www.metromedicalonline.com/04170a.html) applied with a Q-Tip can help release the adhesive.

[Captain Caveman]

Detachol - is it necessary? I just yanked it off.






- no not really- more like wtf that hurts lol

[do it easy]

You don't need Detachol if you have 12 oz of malty alcohol or liquid courage. :)

[MgicTwnger]

.....definately going with the diapers.

[do it easy]

Ken, they call it diaper rash for a reason. :D

[Captain Caveman]

you can always use sawdust Ken.. you will smell like Cedar or Pinesaw

[DeepDiverBob]

I'm going with astronaut diapers.

At your age, you need to get use to those diapers anyway...:D

[MgicTwnger]

At your age, you need to get use to those diapers anyway...:D
That's the way I figure it.

[theskull]

It's better if you go solo when you're trying to yank one of those things off. :o A little Detachol (http://www.metromedicalonline.com/04170a.html) applied with a Q-Tip can help release the adhesive.

Not sure I want to apply a product called "Detach-all" that close to such an important piece of equipment.

theskull

[DeepDiverBob]

That's the way I figure it.

I can just hear Ken singing "I'm a big boy now" as he gears up for a dive.:D

[do it easy]

or "Look, I still have my stars!" ;)

[reefraff]

The Detachol will dissolve the adhesive in about five minutes - you need to gently pull on the condom, rub some of the solvent in and repeat, repeat, repeat. What you do with the next 15 uninterrupted minutes in the shower probably does more to explain any resulting redness and swelling than the removal process.

[mike b]

After trying several different brands I have settled on the Freedom Clear Advantage caths. These are clear silicone with just the right amount of adhesive. They go on easy, but most importantly when you want to remove them they come off fairly easily.

[crpntr133]

I heard that Ken also uses Seasame Street character stickers to decorate his like "the big boys".

Still not sure I want to try a p-valve. My GF can't go without for three or four days for my.....uhm, long hose... to heal.

[sobfrogg]

After last Sunday and being in the water for 90 mins, that cold made me want to pee......
Now all this pee valve talk. I gotta go :)

[MgicTwnger]

I'm gonna make all you wise guys come to the nursing home and change my diapers.:eek:

[DeepDiverBob]

I just had to bring one of the greatest threads ever back to life.

[DeepDiverBob]

and in keeping in the spirit of this thread, does anyone that will be at Mermet tomorrow happen to have an extra one of the extra super sticky wide bands? I hate blow off during the dive, and would rather try before buying.

[skdvr]

I have some...

Just so you know you can go to http://www.rocm.com and request a sample pack...

Phil

[DeepDiverBob]

I have some...

Just so you know you can go to http://www.rocm.com and request a sample pack...

Phil


I tried requesting samples from Hollister, but they never showed up. Its been 3 weeks now. Thats why I am needing to borrow for tomorrow.

I appreciate the loan. I amassuming you dont want it back when I am done, correct? :D

[skdvr]

Uhhh, No! You can keep it :D

[Captain Caveman]

Wow this thread is still alive. Now that I've been using them like a made man, I learned to just rip them off like a band aid. With lots of screaming and crying.

[MgicTwnger]

Wow this thread is still alive. Now that I've been using them like a made man, I learned to just rip them off like a band aid. With lots of screaming and crying.

I could have lived without that picture in my head. :D

[DeepDiverBob]

Sorry guys...I am sitting here in tears laughing at this thread, and I had to bring it back one more time.

[Captain Caveman]

Sorry guys...I am sitting here in tears laughing at this thread, and I had to bring it back one more time.


Please do. :D